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rabbleprochoice:

team-joebama:

team-joebama:

flashback: in 2008, Tom Brokaw asked then-Senator Joe Biden to respond to some questions about when life begins and pro-choice politics.

MR. BROKAW: When I asked [Speaker Pelosi] what advice she would give [then-Senator Obama] about when life began, she said the church has struggled with this issue for a long time, especially in the last 50 years or so. Her archbishop and others across the country had a very strong refutation to her views on all this; I guess the strongest probably came from Edward Cardinal Egan, who’s the Archbishop of New York. He said, “Anyone who dares to defend that they may be legitimately killed because another human being `chooses’ to do so or for any other equally ridiculous reason should not be providing leadership in a civilized democracy worthy of the name.” Those are very strong words. If Senator Obama comes to you and says, “When does life begin? Help me out here, Joe,” as a Roman Catholic, what would you say to him?

SEN. BIDEN: I’d say, “Look, I know when it begins for me.” It’s a personal and private issue. For me, as a Roman Catholic, I’m prepared to accept the teachings of my church. But let me tell you. There are an awful lot of people of great confessional faiths—Protestants, Jews, Muslims and others—who have a different view. They believe in God as strongly as I do. They’re intensely as religious as I am religious. They believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life—I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception. But that is my judgment. For me to impose that judgment on everyone else who is equally and maybe even more devout than I am seems to me is inappropriate in a pluralistic society. And I know you get the push back, “Well, what about fascism?” Everybody, you know, you going to say fascism’s all right? Fascism isn’t a matter of faith. No decent religious person thinks fascism is a good idea.

MR. BROKAW: But if you, you believe that life begins at conception, and you’ve also voted for abortion rights…

SEN. BIDEN: No, what I voted against curtailing the right, criminalizing abortion. I voted against telling everyone else in the country that they have to accept my religiously based view that it’s a moment of conception. There is a debate in our church, as Cardinal Egan would acknowledge, that’s existed. Back in “Summa Theologia,” when Thomas Aquinas wrote “Summa Theologia,” he said there was no—it didn’t occur until quickening, 40 days after conception. How am I going out and tell you, if you or anyone else that you must insist upon my view that is based on a matter of faith?

I don’t agree with everything he says in his response (the stuff that comes after this part in particular) and I’m not trying to be like “omg a cis man thinks an abortion is okay, give him all of the prizes”

but you know what, I just want to contrast Joe Biden’s response here against Paul “let’s ban all birth control and also in vitro fertilization because my religious views should be everyone’s views and also law” Ryan 

like I’m just going to leave this here, okay

bringing this back due to a festering and oozing case of the Todd Akins

This is how you be an elected official who is pro-life.

Your religious beliefs do not get to become law because you believe in them and happened to be given a legislative position. Your religious beliefs do not get to trump everyone else’s (or lack thereof).

Love,

Rabble

(via seriouslyamerica)